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Comments on: platonism and anger management https://dubdobdee.co.uk/2012/09/29/platonism-and-anger-management/ oh no!! fite!! oh no!! Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:46:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: sukrat OTI https://dubdobdee.co.uk/2012/09/29/platonism-and-anger-management/#comment-143 Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:46:08 +0000 http://dubdobdee.co.uk/?p=320#comment-143 In reply to koganbot.

haha I don’t actually think we’re disagreeing. If you just take the word “interruption”, there are situations where interruption is bad and situations where it’s good.

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By: sukrat OTI https://dubdobdee.co.uk/2012/09/29/platonism-and-anger-management/#comment-142 Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:41:09 +0000 http://dubdobdee.co.uk/?p=320#comment-142 In reply to koganbot.

Depends how precisely you’re pointing: the metonym is the word or group of words that substitutes for whatever’s being er metonymised. So I think strictly a metonym is an example of a word or phrase you use to create or cause a metonymy. But I think act/tendency and tool collapse quite easily into one another at this level of discussion: for example metaphor is used as both act/tendency and tool (even though metaphorism is strictly speaking the term for the former). Ditto perhaps synechdoche and synechdochism, to answer your original question. The metonym is a part of the metonymy: the means by which metonymy happens. But if a poet uses metonymy and you point at the relevant line or section and say “this is metonymy” or “this is a metonymy” or “this is a metonym”, you’re pointing at the exact same set of words and making the exact same claim.

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By: koganbot https://dubdobdee.co.uk/2012/09/29/platonism-and-anger-management/#comment-139 Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:32:26 +0000 http://dubdobdee.co.uk/?p=320#comment-139 In reply to sukrat OTI.

I don’t mean that there’s something that everyone will agree is “the issue” or “the problem,” but that “trolling” becomes a shorthand name for what everyone assumes everyone agrees is “the issue,” without, you know, their figuring out what’s at issue (which may not be the same for everyone, or the same for some individual at all times).

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By: koganbot https://dubdobdee.co.uk/2012/09/29/platonism-and-anger-management/#comment-138 Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:57:13 +0000 http://dubdobdee.co.uk/?p=320#comment-138 In reply to sukrat OTI.

Thought an example of metonymy was a metonym (as an example of synonymy is a synonym).

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By: sukrat OTI https://dubdobdee.co.uk/2012/09/29/platonism-and-anger-management/#comment-133 Sat, 06 Oct 2012 10:32:03 +0000 http://dubdobdee.co.uk/?p=320#comment-133 I think synechdoche works the same as metonymy (where the whole is taken for the part): viz “this is an example of metonymy” = “this is a metonymy”

Isn’t the actual problem word “conversation”, though? “They didn’t reply well to me” is a problem for YOU, but it isn’t (necessarily) a problem for a conversation, even a conversation started by you in your own territory to your own rules. (Because your rules and habits and manner may be good-conversation averse…)

What’s a conversation for? Well, people come into one with all kinds of very different intentions and expectations, from killing time or hooking up, to solving problems, to creating problems. Which of these enrich the conversation can only be judged situationally—and there’s never going to be an overall agreement on the value, precisel because people come in from such very different angles.

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By: koganbot https://dubdobdee.co.uk/2012/09/29/platonism-and-anger-management/#comment-131 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 16:03:35 +0000 http://dubdobdee.co.uk/?p=320#comment-131 In reply to koganbot.

Er, I mean “‘trolling’ is a misfiring synecdoch(e),” so the word “trolling” (when trolling is taken to be the name of a problem), not the activity.

The true problem on the ‘Net is ambiguity.*

*Unless it’s the solution. What was the question again?

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By: koganbot https://dubdobdee.co.uk/2012/09/29/platonism-and-anger-management/#comment-130 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:58:52 +0000 http://dubdobdee.co.uk/?p=320#comment-130 Is an example of “synecdoche” also called a “synecdoche,” or is it “synecdoch” or something? (Was going to say that “trolling is a misfiring synecdoch(e), where the part is taken to be the whole.”)

I was just trolling Dee. But s/he could have safely left out the words, “since you folks didn’t seem to grasp.” Could have put a period in their stead.

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By: koganbot https://dubdobdee.co.uk/2012/09/29/platonism-and-anger-management/#comment-129 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:48:41 +0000 http://dubdobdee.co.uk/?p=320#comment-129 The problem with discussions of trolling, when trolling is taken to be a problem, and even when “trolling” is restricted to “anonymous Internet bully or nutjob,” is that the focus on “trolling” becomes a substitute for figuring out what’s really at issue. E.g., “He was going to comment on my idea, but he got distracted by trolls.” “She was going to comment on my idea, except he couldn’t resist the temptation to troll me.” Compare to, “Resisting the bait set up by the trolls, he commented on my idea — which is unfortunate, given that he’s a bore. People need to troll him harder.”

What’s at issue is whether and how well people comment on me. And I don’t think trolling has much to do with it.

Trolls aren’t like, say, drunk drivers, even if they and their co-dependents are similarly hooked. Drunk drivers really do mess up the road. Whereas you can sidestep trolls on the Web (unless the troll has hacking/cracking skills; but most don’t). Sometimes you can even learn from them. If the convo’s good, trolls will enrich it. (And I say this as someone who’s been trolled viciously.)

Not that there aren’t situations where troll posts should be deleted. But if it comes to that, likely something else was wrong anyway.

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By: sukrat OTI https://dubdobdee.co.uk/2012/09/29/platonism-and-anger-management/#comment-128 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:46:05 +0000 http://dubdobdee.co.uk/?p=320#comment-128 The point Dee makes was a sensible and usefully informative response to three people chattering on twitter, even if this was a slightly avant-garde place to post it (where two of the three only saw it because I drew their attention here).

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By: koganbot https://dubdobdee.co.uk/2012/09/29/platonism-and-anger-management/#comment-127 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:17:41 +0000 http://dubdobdee.co.uk/?p=320#comment-127 “You folks”!

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